Sunday, August 22, 2004

Interview with Matthew Vant

Note: While the responses to the interview below are, in fact, factual, the interview with Betty Klipsch and the Betty Klipsch character are not. Any similarity to persons, dead or living, is purely coincidential.

----------------------------------------------------------- MEV ---

Betty Klipsch, a married woman in my department recently interviewed me. She knew that I had had a rough week at work and wanted to get the “inside scoop.” I’m publishing the transcript here.

BETTY: So, you’ve effectively come out to all the people in the office here; how does that feel?

MATT: It feels good! It’s basically the last group of people in my life that I needed to come out to. Even so, this was a stressful, rough week. It’s not a comfortable thing talking about something so personal. And I’m always conscious of the fact that my sexuality is not really work related, but I’m bringing it into the workplace. I hate the thought of forcing ideas on to other people. Another stress is that you never know how people are going to react to the news of being gay.

BETTY: How did people take it?

MATT: You know the group. They were pretty good about it, for the most part. One person, who I’ll not name, went out of his way to tell me that he didn’t “understand or approve.” Even after I told him that I specifically was not looking for anyone to validate who I am. At this point in my life, I really don’t care. I really don’t.

BETTY: Well, that’s a good attitude to have.

MATT: That’s exactly what [my boss] said. Well, I didn’t think I’d ever be coming out until that CHET training.

BETTY: There have been a lot of changes for you. I also understand that in April of this year that you broke up with your partner of 6.5 years. I imagine this has been a difficult time. How are you dealing?

MATT: Well, I’m in a strange place right now. I really having a hard time understanding where I am with ex. On a certain level, I guess I still have feelings for Mark, but I also dislike him. He’s been jerky during this separation. Granted, it’s not easy for him, but he’s been outright mean.

BETTY: So, you’ve told us.

MATT: Yeah, well, I guess I kind of miss having someone around the house and someone to go out with once in a while. That would make me a bit lonely. What’s crappy is that I wish I was in a relationship but I’m definitely not ready for a relationship. Also, It’s not comfortable for me to meet people at bars. At the moment, I’m just kind of content hanging out with friends and trying not to get too tied up in my emotions.

BETTY: So, just out of curiosity, do you like women?

MATT: Although I am gay, I really can appreciate the beauty of a female body, mind and spirit. I have female friends. I love comparing notes with women and I appreciate their feelings. OK, I’m on thin ice here.

BETTY: So when did you find out that you liked guys more than women.

MATT: (Smiling) I was always a bit different as a kid and I got teased for it. For example, I remember playing with Barbie dolls with a female friend who lived a few blocks away in Reading, Mass. where I lived. As a teenager, I had bad acne and wasn’t popular. By the time I came out of my shell in my final years of high school and in college, I was still too shy to date. I dated a few women but didn’t have very deep relations. When I moved to Cincinnati, in my adult life, I dated some amazingly beautiful, intelligent women, but found that things wouldn’t work. I realized the problem was with me, not them. At 26, I admitted it to myself. The rest is just history.

BETTY: Wow. Doing the math, if you’re 33 and you were with Mark for 6.5 years…

MATT: Yeah, I dated for only a few months before meeting Mark. Mark was, in fact, the second person I’ve dated in my life. This is why I’m kind of naïve about the dating scene. I’m learning through trial and error. Thank God, I’ve got friends to help me understand what’s going on.

BETTY: So what does your family think about the break up?

MATT: Well, I think that my parents were a bit disappointed to hear about the break. Through discussion, I think that they understand that a relationship can only go so far without both people putting in an effort. My dad has been overly supportive. He told me to learn from my mistakes and look forward.

BETTY: Getting back to the work thing, do you think coming out at work will help?

MATT: Oh, I’ve seen where me making an effort to open up has already made a difference in the workplace. Things seem much more relaxed in the office. People seem more likely to approach me. There’s more camaraderie.

BETTY: So, now that you’ve come out, can I ask you, are you a health risk; do you have AIDS?

MATT: Oh my God! I can’t believe you’re asking me this. No, I am not HIV positive. I had a test very recently. Oh, my vaccinations are up to date. My cholesterol is down. Wanna see my latest doctors report? Can I see yours, Betty?

BETTY: (Clearing throat) Just one last question. Do you take a more passive or active role?

MATT: (Laughing) Betty, I’m sorry it’s going to far to ask that one. Although I’m glad you feel comfortable asking me anything, that’s just something I’m not going to divulge. Heck, the people in the group will be watching this! This interview is over.

Comments on "Interview with Matthew Vant"

 

Blogger Chris Owens said ... (2:22 AM) : 

Okay Matt...I was so looking forward to reading the interview. I have to say I'm a little disappointed. :-P I guess I'll have to wait for you to be on 20/20 with Barbara Walters to see you cry and/or divulge all your personal skeletons. Just kidding, of course. Interviews are a great way to learn about someone. I knew a gay guy who roomed with a straight guy (no...don't even ask) and they each had a notebook. Every night before bed, they would write a question in the other's notebook. Before the next night, they each had to answer the question the other had asked. Sounds a little cheesy, but I kind of like the idea. Since Biscuit doesn't have opposable thumbs, I'm SOL. :-)

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:39 AM) : 

I can't believe she asked all of those questions. Damn, woman??!!!

RD

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:50 PM) : 

Ok, first thought: OH MY GOD.

Where the f*ck do you work, dude? My answer to each and every one of those questions would be "none of your damn business." Work is for work. It's not for touchy feely, Oprah-listening-mode chats. That, in my humble opinion, is beyond counter productive. When we come to a point in our society where it is even considered remotely appropriate to ask (DURING AN INTERVIEW NO LESS) if you are a top or bottom, if you are HIV positive (which is, by the way, ILLEGAL to ask on the job), or if you're feeling blue over your break-up, it is then time to stand back and wonder why all of our jobs are being outsourced to other countries.

I'll tell you why. We, as a society, are lazy and self-obsessed. My advice? Less talk, more work. Save that sh*t for after work drinks. Unless, of course, you work at Harpo Productions or at some similar estrogen farm.

In the meantime, be sure to ask Betty if she even lets her husband donkey punch her for fun or give her a chili dog if she's a naughty girl. Gag.

-s-

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (3:05 PM) : 

And one more thing...

I'm happy for your success with this CHET training, but trust me...if they offer you Nikes, Kool-Aid, or the opportunity to meet their leader, Elias, just say no. It's ok to say no...really...

-s-

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (6:50 PM) : 

Matt, this interview was very interesting but maybe I missed something somewhere... just who is Betty and why did she interview you? Was this for some type of job requirement or for personal use? If this was work-related, you certainly had no requirement to answer any question of a personal nature. And the other thing is, and please do not take me wrong, I have never felt the need to 'come out' to all of my co-workers. There are friends (and one ex) here at work that know but other than that I feel it is really no one else's concern. I am not you and I do not work where you do, so please understand I am only saying this from my perspective in my situation. Your perspective and your situation are, obviously, different from mine, and you may have been in a situation where coming out would be to your advantage. As far as my situation, and most of the gay people I work with (and there are several), we all pretty much agree that, in the work place, it is really no one's business as to my personal sexual orientation and related choices. Also, I am curious to know if anyone else in your group at work had any sort of 'coming out' along with you.... Did anyone feel the need to affirm to everyone that they were heterosexual? Did any of the straight men admit to being a closeted cross-dresser? For my own curiosity, I am wondering why you felt the need to share that part of your life with all of your co-workers. And I am glad it has been a positive experience for you. What I think would be better was if we lived in a world where it truly did not matter if a person was gay or straight, where a person never had to struggle with facing who they are and with deciding what to do about it and who to tell. Have you ever known of a straight, single man struggling with telling his family and friends that he was straight? No. Have you ever seen a straight man interviewed by a co-worker (after coming out as a straight man) and being asked all types of personal sex-related questions? I don't think so. One day, we will live in that world, until then, come out to whom, and when, you choose and but be very careful. There is still a great deal of prejudice out there. (Dennis)

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (7:28 PM) : 

Matt,

Thank you for coming out. To Californians the midwest is exotic, confusing, and somewhat fearsome. That is why I am especially happy and proud of you for coming out to your co-workers and your reaction thereto.

Coming out is the single most important thing we gay people can do to promote equality. And doing so in a swing state like Ohio will likely have positive effects in the upcoming election and in the quotidian lives of gay people everywhere. Anyway, you don't need a lecture on coming out (though I am always prepared to give one).

Best Regards,
Raman

 

Blogger Chris Owens said ... (11:13 PM) : 

Not to be abrasive or confrontational, but I think some of you miss the point of coming out. I came out at work when I worked for a company. Coming out is indeed the single most important thing we can do to promote equal rights. Coming out at work is NOT about bringing your sex life into the work place. It's about being able to have a life at work. How many times do your straight coworkers breeze in on Monday gushing about a romantic getaway or even a birthday part for their husband/wife/significant other. That is perfectly acceptable and NATURAL. What is unnatural is suppressing our life and playing the pronoun game, or going so far as to make up a whole other life for the sake of keeping up appearances.

I applaud you, Matt. Thanks for being who you are and not being afraid to be yourself at work.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (11:56 PM) : 

Matt,

I'm still confused, even after reading some of the comments. What kind of interview was this? Was using the word interview the same as a "friendly chat"? One way or the other, I am still proud of you for "coming out" to your co-workers. As one of the other comments stated, I really don't find it necessary, but if you feel good about it, then by all means, I applaud you!

I would have, however, asked this Betty some questions of my own. Such as "Do you and your husband find it a better fit in the missionary position or doggie style?"
Again, since when is this appropriate dialogue at the workplace, or much less anywhere else than a bar?

Have I been out of the corporate scene that long? No, it's only been 7 months....has it changed that much? I would bet not. I think we all need some kind of explanation for the type of dialogue that went on between the two of you...again, and maybe as usual, I'm confused!

S

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:30 AM) : 

We have all been had, duped, tricked, decieved, played, and basically fucked. And he did not even offer anyone a cigarette, did he? Well, that is ok, sice I do not smoke.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (9:52 AM) : 

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Anonymous Anonymous said ... (12:16 PM) : 

Dude, according to everything that I have read on this website it all sounds like bullshit. Of course you are gonna say that the other person was the mean but that is not always true because there always two sides to every story and I would be interested in what the other person had to say. What really bothers me about this website is all of the grammatical, spelling and punctuation errors, I mean dude come on you can design a website but you can't write properly. And third, if you are so confused about your ex who the hell are you to give relationship advice to anyone.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (1:58 PM) : 

Sounds to me like some Anonymous Poster has issues...

Regardless, your comments are in poor form. Calling someone out for grammatical errors is best done via private email. Criticism that isn't constructive tends to only point the finger back at the accuser's own insecurities and shortcomings.

As long as you get the gestalt of Matt's writing, then the incidentals (like spelling) are really inconsequential. And if you'd like for me to explain what those big words mean, be sure and shoot me an email. Until then, learn some manners.

-shane-

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (2:17 PM) : 

Thanks for response Shane! I'm with you on this one. Besides, when one uses the term "dude" that often in a paragraph and also has used poor judgement in grammatical choices, one can only assume that the "commentor" is insecure, has multiple issues, and at best is childish and, well shall we say, a bit educationally challenged??? To all....please note the footnote that Matt has added regarding the Betty Klipsch interview....

 

Blogger Matt said ... (2:23 PM) : 

Anonymous,

I truly thank you for your feedback! Feedback works best when it is mutual. Please send me the address for your blog, so I can reciprocate!

MeV

Oh, you might want to consider revising your comment:

“What really bothers me about this website is all of the grammatical, spelling and punctuation errors. I mean, dude! Come on. You can design a website, but you can't write properly!” (8 errors)

Cheers!

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:57 PM) : 

Sounds like “Coming out” to your co-workers and feeling such liberation have made such a positive impact for you. Good for you. Being good to your fellow man and doing a daily good deed is such a reward in life. But there is something to be said when someone expresses an opposing view to your web site and you chastise or criticize their input or block their comments. I Think you need to go back to the “ole self-cleansing” drawing board. Kudos to those who replied with what they thought. On that note, a word to the readers; Don’t waste your time reading and commenting on people’s blog pages that only want “selected” feedback just to stroke their own ego.

 

Blogger Matt said ... (5:30 PM) : 

Note to readers: I will strike any comment that contains sensitive information, such as my company name, home address, credit card numbers, medical history, ... or of course, if someone requests that I remove a comment they made.

Anything else is fair game and I will not erase! Viva la first amendment! Bring on the criticisms! Just be sure to fair, specific, and timely! Alternately, if you'd like to email me directly or leave an email address, I'd be happy to respond to you properly!

Oh, if you could leave a letter of your first name or initials, that would be cool, so we know who's who.

Happy blogging!

MeV

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (8:37 AM) : 

Thanks Matt!  I appreciate you!  It is wonderful to hear to the positive energy that is flowing in your life.  You offer too much to remain closed to others.  Your website is great.  

MCE

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (4:07 AM) : 

I'm a little disappointed that this particular post generated more feedback than the others that dealt with Matthew's every day life. I agree with the person who said that this world will truly be a better place when people do not have to struggle about who they are. The same is true for people's reactions. The world will be a better place when a man can mention his boyfriend, or a woman can mention her girlfriend anywhere and not draw raised eyebrows, and surprised blinks. When to do that does not require a formal announcement regarding sexual orientation.

 

Blogger Beta17 said ... (5:46 PM) : 

Marvelous to read, Matt!

 

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